About Me:
I'm a transplanted Canadian who now resides with my wife and three children in Redding, a small city in sunny northern California where hockey still gets prefaced with the word "ice." My new home is a long way from my hometown of Edmonton, but the web makes everything a little closer.
About Me:
I'm a transplanted Canadian who now resides with my wife and three children in Redding, a small city in sunny northern California where hockey still gets prefaced with the word "ice." My new home is a long way from my hometown of Edmonton, but the web makes everything a little closer.
About Me:
I'm a transplanted Canadian who now resides with my wife and three children in Redding, a small city in sunny northern California where hockey still gets prefaced with the word "ice." My new home is a long way from my hometown of Edmonton, but the web makes everything a little closer.
Last September I identified 40 active players currently in the NHL whom I projected would someday become Hockey Hall of Fame (HHOF) inductees, based on the rationale was that there were theoretically between 37.5 and 56.25 future HHOFers playing the NHL right now. My surmise was a relative simple one, using past HHOF induction rates (3.75 players per year on average), average career lengths for HHOFers (13.77 seasons) and creating a margin of error. But while a workable and logical hypothesis, how does such guesswork measure up to reality?
Nothing beats solid research, so to answer that question I prepared the following chart detailing the number of HHOFers active each NHL season. The chart also contains the total roster positions in the league (based on the number of NHL teams and the maximum roster size each season) and the percentage of HHOFers compared to non-HHOFers in the league at that time. The findings were very interesting.
As you'll see below, the peak season for Hockey Hall of Fame talent in the NHL was 1927-28 when there were 45 future HHOFers active in the league, covering 34.62 percent of the available roster positions. In short, that season every third player you looked at on the ice was someday off to the HHOF (which wouldn't exist for another 17 years, but that's a different story). 1926-27 and 1936-37 are the next best seasons with 44 HHOFers each, followed by 1928-29 with 42 HHOFers. (With four of the five peak seasons occurring between 1927-1930, that suggest a gold mine of talent never seen before or since, or an over-induction rate for players from those seasons. That's a topic to examine another day.)
The greatest concentration of HHOFers occurred in 1918-19 when HHOFers covered 46.15 percent of all the roster positions. If you thought 1927-28 was special, just think: in 1918-19 every other guy you looked at on the ice was a future HHOF inductee. (I guess this provides all those people who argue about the poor quality of the game today just one more argument...)
Note that with the exception of the World War II years, the number of active HHOFers remains fairly constant in the mid-30s per season. These numbers dip again in the 1970s thanks to the World Hockey Association bleeding off talent. Adding the WHA defectors back into the mix pulls the numbers for the 1973-1979 seasons back into the high-30s range.
With the 2009 HHOF election of Steve Yzerman, the 1982-83 season is boosted to 41 HHOFers, one of the most prolific groups of talent in NHL history. A very conservative projection of future HHOF inductees suggests that the 1980s and early 1990s should have an annual count in the high 30s - low 40s for future HHOFers, and the 1992-94 period should create another peak similar to 1927-30 (although with a much lower percentage to the overall roster spots available).
So, with the NHL now at 30 teams and 600 roster spots, and given the historical averages of HHOFers present in the league, that guesswork from a year ago seems like a pretty reasonable, and perhaps even conservative, estimation for HHOFers present in the NHL today.
Wednesday, June 24, 2009, 11:14 AM EST
[Steve Yzerman]
Congratulations to the Hockey Hall of Fame (HHOF) Class of 2009!
While there were no surprises on the selections among players - Steve Yzerman, Brett Hull, Brian Leetch and Luc Robitaille were the early and constant favourites - it was a pleasant surprise to see the election of New Jersey Devils General Manager Lou Lamoriello as a builder. An excellent selection and a well deserved honour.
FoxSports.com is undergoing an online community upgrade between June 25 and July 1, and during that time any postings made to this blog (including comments) will be lost in the ether. I've prepared more thoughts to share - covering the HHOF Class of 2009, the NHL Entry Draft, an updated Top 40 Potential HHOFers among active players, and other HHOF-related research - but I'm going to hold off posting those items until the FoxSports.com upgrade is complete because I value your feedback and don't want it to vanish.
Thanks very much for reading and we'll see you in a week!
In developing my system for identifying and rating NHL careers worthy of Hockey Hall of Fame (HHOF) recognition, I've been looking for standards and mileposts that we can use as reliable indicators. With the NHL awards presented tonight, let's consider the value that winning two of the top awards - the Hart Trophy and the Art Ross Trophy - may have on a player's chances for induction to the HHOF.
The Hart Trophy was first given out in the 1923-24 season. 51 different players have won the award in the 85 seasons it has been presented. 10 recipients are still active in hockey while 41 Hart-winners are now retired. Of this retired group, 38 past-winners are eligible for the HHOF and 36 have actually made the grade, a success rate of 94.7 percent.
The two Hart winners who've failed to gain entry to the HHOF thus far are defenseman Tom Anderson (first eligible for the HHOF in 1950) and goaltender Al Rollins (first eligible for the HHOF in 1965). Anderson entered the army immediately after his Hart win in 1941-42 and never furthered his NHL career. Rollins won his Hart not so much for greatness as endurance, having suffered a league-leading 47 losses with the Chicago Black Hawks in 1953-54. I'll save a more detailed discussion of these two players for another time.
When you look at the remaining 13 active or recently-retired players who've been awarded the Hart, all seem likely HHOF inductees with the exception of Jose Theodore, whose Hart season seems more and more like an aberration. (Theodore also merits a detailed discussion of his own.) Among the recently-retired, Brett Hull will undoubtedly be voted into the HHOF next week, while Eric Lindros should make the grade when he becomes eligible in 2010, as should two-time winner Dominik Hasek when he becomes eligible in 2011 (or 2013 if plays in the Czech Republic next season). Hart winners among active players include Theodore, Sidney Crosby, Sergei Fedorov, Peter Forsberg, Jaromir Jagr, Alexander Ovechkin (winning his second Hart tonight), Chris Pronger, Joe Sakic, Martin St. Louis and Joe Thornton.
The Art Ross Trophy seems to be an even better indicator of eventual HHOF entry. First awarded in 1947-48, 24 players have won the award in the 61 years it has been presented. 8 recipients are still active, while the 16 retired winners have all been inducted into the HHOF, a 100 percent success rate.
If you take into consideration the league points leaders from the pre-Art Ross Trophy period going all the way back to 1917-18 and grant them the award retroactively, you'll find there have been 45 winners, 37 of whom are eligible for the HHOF and 36 of whom have been inducted (a 97.3 percent success rate).
The only outlier is left wing Herb Cain (first eligible for the HHOF in 1953), who won the 1943-44 scoring race in a wartime talent-depleted league. Like Anderson and Rollins above, we'll examine Cain's career in depth another time.
Looking at the 8 active players who've won the Art Ross, all seem likely HHOF inductees. As discussed previously, 6 of these players - Sidney Crosby, Peter Forsberg, Jaromir Jagr, Alexander Ovechkin, Martin St. Louis and Joe Thornton - have also won the Hart Trophy, helping improve their eventual HHOF selection odds. The other two active Art Ross winners have also made Hart attacks: Jarome Iginla narrowly lost the Hart to Jose Theodore in 2001-02, while Evgeni Malkin was a Hart finalist for 2008-09.
There are 240 players currently enshrined in the HHOF. 192 of them have played in the NHL. Given that just a quarter of those NHL players inducted have led the league in scoring and/or have the won the league MVP award, it's clear that you do not have to meet either of those standards to become a HHOFer. But it is equally clear that any player who can claim either of those awards on his resume is in an enviable position for potential HHOF induction.
With the
disappointing end to the Detroit Red Wings' season last night, I've been a
little hesitant to post this item that has been days in the preparation. But as
I did state on another website that this entry would appear today, I feel I
should honour that commitment.
When wrestling
with the question of whether or not Chris Osgood deserves consideration for the
Hockey Hall of Fame (HHOF), the argument against him is commonly framed as
such: "Chris Osgood is not as talented as Player X who isn't in the HHOF, so
therefore Osgood doesn't belong in the HHOF either."
It's a cunning
argument. Osgood is not just diminished compared to Player X. The broad (albeit
unsupported) assertion "not as talented" also discounts Osgood's accomplishments
as merely the benefits of playing for a good team as (presumably) Player X
could achieve the same or even better results were he to replace Osgood on the
Detroit roster.
However, while
the argument is (admittedly) cunning, is it a fair argument? And can it be supported by the evidence?
First, let's
consider two key terms necessary to properly frame this argument: talent and
accomplishment. Talent is a capacity
for achievement or success. Alternatively, accomplishment is the realization of achievement or success.
Or to put it another way, talent is primarily a subjective measure - the aptitude of a player to be able to do something well - while
accomplishment is primarily an objective
measure - something concrete that the player has done.
Talent can be
instrumental in leading one to accomplishment, but talent in and of itself does
not guarantee success. History, let alone sports history, is replete with
examples where hard work, good fortune (or misfortune), and mental toughness
trump talent. Similarly, it becomes somewhat disingenuous to discount all of a
player's superior accomplishments as luck or good fortune based solely on a
perceived lack of talent in comparison to another player. The more impressive
the resume becomes, the more apparent that the "accepted lack-of-skill" of the
accomplished player needs to be reconsidered.
To better
understand this distinction let's compare the career accomplishments of two
unnamed contemporary goaltenders:
Goalie
A is 29 years old, has played 9 NHL seasons, holds a 230-232-64 record in the
regular season - twice leading the league in losses suffered - and an 11-11
record in the Stanley Cup playoffs. No Stanley Cups, not even any trips to the
Cup Final as yet in his career, but he has represented his country in the World
Cup and at the Olympics. Our man has played in three All-Star games and been
selected twice to a post-season All-Star Team.
Goalie
B is 36 years old, has played 15 NHL seasons, holds a 389-204-89 record in the
regular season - once leading the league in wins earned - and a 74-49 record in
the Stanley Cup playoffs, with five trips to the Final and three Stanley Cups.
Despite his NHL successes, Goalie B has no World Cup or Olympic appearances
to his credit. Mr. B has played in two All-Star games and been selected once to
a post-season All-Star Team.
So, based on
the above resumes, which player do you think is the better goaltender? Goalie B
has a superior record to Goalie A - well over 0.500 in both in the NHL regular
season and the post-season - but that might come from playing with a better
quality team.
Conversely,
Goalie A has been in both a World Cup and an Olympics, which suggests he is
judged to be among the top goaltenders produced by his nation. Of course, the
value of that distinction differs considerably should the national honor be
conferred by Switzerland or Germany rather than Canada or Sweden.
Also, notice
the careful crafting of language for Player A with the phrase "represented his
country" in the World Cup and the Olympics, which should not be interpreted as
"starring in goal, playing all the games and winning the tournament." Would it
change your opinion if we revealed that Player A might have got in a game or
two in each those international events, but it was a more experienced teammate
who was the Number One between the posts? What if we further revealed that
Player B was the starter for two of his three Stanley Cup runs?
To end the
suspense, if there ever was any, Player A is Roberto Luongo, judged by many to
be if not the best, then at least the second- or third-best goaltender in the
game today. Player B is the much-maligned Chris Osgood, the goaltender whose
critics would have you believe is responsible for every one of his team's
defeats but never any of their victories.
I would expect
that if you asked 10 hockey fans on a busy street - located anywhere but
Detroit - as to which of these two men was the better goaltender, that 9 out of
10 would say "Luongo." And that is a fair assessment, based purely on a
subjective judgment of talent between the two men. That is the conventional
wisdom, too, reported and repeated continuously in the popular media. But,
while recognizing that Luongo has six years to make up some ground on Osgood,
when you look at those two resumes side-by-side, does Luongo seem to be far and away the better
goalie?
Let's rephrase
the question and, after sharing our Goalie A / Goalie B summary, ask that same
person on the street "Which of the pair is a more-accomplished goalie?"
Advantage: Goalie B (Osgood). True, as we've said before, Osgood has six
seasons on Luongo, so Bobby Lu has a chance to boost the resume. But in order
for Luongo to merely equal Osgood's
NHL career to this point, over the next six years he'll have to go a
near-perfect 159-0-25 in the regular season (which would still leave him with
28 more losses than Osgood, so the winning percentage would be slightly
lacking), and then exhibit an impressive 62-36 record in the post-season. But
that's not all: Luongo will also need to make it to the Stanley Cup Final in
five of those six years, and win the Cup three times.
***
The Luongo
defender and the Osgood critic (often one and the same) would charge that we
produced an unfair comparison. "Wins and losses are more of a team statistic than
an individual accomplishment," our critic would claim. "Stanley Cup victories
are a team achievement. You cannot use those measures alone to grade the
quality of goaltenders." And, to a degree, I agree with that view. Which brings
us to the heart of the issue: how do you effectively abstract the contribution
made by goaltenders from the overall success of the team?
Simply, you
cannot, or at least not with any degree of absolute precision. Just as goal
scorers need someone to get them the puck and playmakers need someone to bury
their passes, likewise goaltenders need skaters to clear the shooting lanes and
force the opposition to shoot from low-percentage positions. There are no game
play statistical measures currently available that are not to some degree
influenced by the overall team dynamic. Even goals against average and save
percentage are products of the team playing style, which influences shot
quality granted and scoring chances allowed that the goaltender must face. Yes,
we could opine that Luongo would perhaps have a better record if he had better
players around him, and that Osgood might not be as accomplished if he wasn't
surrounded by such skill, but short of swapping the starting goaltenders in
Vancouver and Detroit we can never prove the point or determine just how much
better / worse either player would be. There are just too many other variables
in play.
In hockey,
players (goaltenders especially) reap the benefits from the quality of the team
around them, and the team benefits in return from the overall quality of its
players. In the final light you have to take things at face value, look at what
a player has done with his career on the teams he has played for, and judge
that career accordingly.
Our challenge
in all this is for a number of years Osgood just didn't seem to be a topnotch goaltender. Rather, to the collective mind he
was the goat who just played poorly enough for Detroit to lose the big game, a
notion seemingly confirmed when Detroit exposed him to waivers in 2001. But perceptions
and conclusions need to be constantly re-evaluated as new data emerges, or else
those opinions become little more than blind spots and baggage.
***
Consider the
alternative. Let's say for sake of argument that Chris Osgood retires after
this season. He will have finished his career in the Top 10 in both regular
season and playoff wins and with three Stanley Cups to his credit - two as the
primary netminder and one as a caddy. And, for whatever reason, let's say he is
NOT elected to the HHOF.
The result is
that we have essentially created a barrier against the induction of any less
accomplished goaltender, regardless of how talented we might consider that
player to be. This is not a Dino Ciccarelli situation where the player's HHOF
case is essentially built on one metric (i.e. scoring over 600 goals). Here we
have multiple metrics, earned in the both the regular season and the playoffs,
that suggest qualification for the HHOF.
Of course, this
is likely a question we won't have to worry about for a few more seasons. Chris
Osgood is under contract through 2010-11, which gives him a couple more years
to add to his impressive career numbers and perhaps make another deep run or
two into the playoffs.
Last year I wrote that the Detroit / Pittsburgh Stanley Cup Final could be one for the ages, with the greatest number of probable and potential HHOFers in the combined lineups since Colorado vs. New Jersey in 2001, and (maybe) since Edmonton vs. NY Islanders in 1984. The same claim can be made this year as well.
Moreover, since the Red Wings / Penguins rematch this year has drawn a number of comparisons to that Oilers / Islanders tilt in 1984 - the last two teams to meet and repeat; Crosby-Malkin supposedly the latter day Gretzky-Messier who'll lead the Penguins to the promised land over the defending champions - it seems worth a moment to look at the HHOFers from those two historic teams, and to see how these contemporary rivals measure up.
The 1984 Stanley Cup Final featured three future HHOFers in management (Islanders GM Bill Torrey, Islanders Head Coach Al Arbour and Oilers GM and Head Coach Glen Sather) and another 11 future HHOFers on the ice. The defending champion Islanders dressed five future HHOFers - Mike Bossy, Clark Gillies, Denis Potvin, Bryan Trottier and Billy Smith - while the Oilers sent six future HHOFers of their own through the gate - Glenn Anderson, Paul Coffey, Grant Fuhr, Wayne Gretzky, Jari Kurri and Mark Messier.
And if that embarrassment of riches isn't enough, yet another four players who appeared in that series are still touted as viable HHOFers and may eventually make the induction grade: Butch Goring, Kevin Lowe, Andy Moog and John Tonelli.
By comparison, the 2009 Stanley Cup features at least one future HHOFer in management (Detroit GM Ken Holland) and as many as 11 players between the Red Wings and Penguins who we can calculate have at least a credible shot at reaching the HHOF based on their career trajectories and using the objective Induction Scale and Accomplishment Index rating systems that I've developed (discussed previously in this blog).
Detroit has seven players who figure to be in the HHOF hunt. Veterans Nicklas Lidstrom and Chris Chelios are certain first year selections once they become eligible. Despite the naysayers, Chris Osgood is on the cusp of becoming a probable HHOFer, particularly if he earns another Cup victory this year and an Olympic Team invitation next fall. Rounding out the order for the Red Wings are Pavel Datsyuk, Henrik Zetterberg, Marian Hossa and Brian Rafalski, all strong contenders who need the benefit of a few more quality seasons to their credit to cement their HHOF status.
Conversely, Pittsburgh has just four players of an equivalent stature. Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin both hold the promise of HHOF level careers assuming they remain healthy and not defect to a rival league. Sergei Gonchar probably has the strongest HHOF resume of all the Penguins at this point, but still needs a strong season or two to improve his current marginal HHOFer status. Lastly, Marc-Andre Fleury, entering his prime and just starting to make his mark in the NHL, is young enough to have the opportunity to put up HHOF numbers.
All in all, for a Stanley Cup Final, that's an impressive crop of talent. And of course, this doesn't consider dark horse candidates like Bill Guerin or any young players who may emerge from the mix over time and dazzle us with a HHOF career.
While I'm prone to give the HHOF talent edge to last year's match-up - our same cast of potential HHOF characters, less Bill Guerin, plus Dominik Hasek and Gary Roberts - that shouldn't be seen as a great slight to the cast of 2009. In any event, I'm certain in the years to come we'll look back on the Stanley Cup Finals of 2008 and 2009 and wonder how these two teams managed to collect so much talent between them in the era of salary cap parity.
***
HOW ABOUT THE NUMBERS? There are some people, rather than taking things on blind faith, who would rather see the raw numbers. And because there are a lot of people whose eyes glaze over at a lot of digits, I thought I'd save the calculus for the tail end of the note.
Here's the Induction Scale (IS) score and the Accomplishment Index (AI) results for the Red Wings and Penguins discussed above. The IS score is based on a number of metrics including NHL regular season and playoff performance, awards and honors, and international participation. As a handy reference, the average HHOFer has an IS of 1500. The average HHOF goalie is a little higher than that mark, while the average HHOF defenseman a little lower. The AI is a plus / minus result against par. As a rule of thumb, the higher the AI result, the more that player has accomplished in his career. A negative AI usually indicates an above-average player whose high IS score is due more to a lengthy career than to being an exceptional talent.
Just as a frame of reference, Evegni Malkin's AI result of +2.218 is tops among the 119 active, recently retired and HHOF eligible players that I am currently tracking, which shows him to be on an exceptional career pace. This AI result will only grow should Malkin win the Cup and be awarded the Hart Trophy in the next few weeks. Sidney Crosby's AI result of +1.873 is second best among active players.
Detroit Red Wings: Nicklas Lidstrom (IS: 1653; AI: +0.492); Chris Chelios (IS: 1603; AI: +0.225); Chris Osgood (IS: 1442: AI: +0.315); Marian Hossa (IS: 906; AI: +0.169); Pavel Datsyuk (IS: 832; AI: +0.582); Brian Rafalski (IS: 832; AI: +0.452); Henrik Zetterberg (IS: 804; AI: +0.860)