You've seen the wreck. Kyle Busch goes low, Tony Stewart goes high. Kyle goes high, Tony goes nowhere, Kyle bounced into the wall, Tony goes on to win. But that's not what I found most interesting.
After Kyle hit the wall, Kasey Kahne slammed into him, literally propelling Kyle across the start/finish line. Why is that important? Kyle officialy finished 14th. I don't think it is any kind of stretch to say that if Kyle hadn't gotten blasted by Kasey he would've been classified the last car on the lead lap, which would have been 28th.
WITH those 42 points (the difference between 14th and 28th), Kyle is EIGHTH in points, in the Chase by 133 points.
WITHOUT those 42 ponts, Kyle would be ELEVENTH in points, in the Chase by only 91 points.
If Kyle makes the Chase by less than 42 points, he owes Kasey Kahne a big thank you card, especially if Kasey ends up the odd man out.
First, thanks to Joey Logano and Greg Zipadelli for winning at Loudon, making Joey the third first-time winner of the season and buggering my Jack Ingram Cup spreadsheet to the point where I had to go back through each of the first 16 Nationwide races to reset the points. I like David Ragan OK enough but since he's really the only Cup guy who hasn't won a Cup race yet while running a bunch of Nationwide races, I'll be fine if he doesn't win until 2010.
Second, I haven't seen anyone mention this, but if Kyle Busch hadn't wrecked the whole field on that restart, there wouldn't have been a red flag which means they would have been able to run at least the few more laps for pit stops to cycle through, which means Jeff Gordon and Kurt Busch would've been racing for the win, which means since Kurt was about to pass Jeff when the rain came...that Kyle cost Kurt the win. Probably.
Third, I like Juan Pablo Montoya, but there is NO reason he should be anywhere near Mark Martin and Kyle Busch in points. Mark and Kyle have three wins each. WINS. JPM's next top-five finish will be his first of the season. JPM has finished 14th or better eleven times, while Mark's top eleven finishes of the season are all 17th or better, and Kyle's are aren't quite as good but his top ten finishes are all 18th or better. The only reason JPM is even in the Chase conversation is that he hasn't finished worse than 31st in any race - Tony Stewart is the oly other driver who can say that.
Since I went through all that hassle to fix my spreadsheets, here are the points going into Daytona. For me, it's a three-man race, and everyone else is far behind.
SPRINT CUP (DRIVERS) Rank Points 1 Tony Stewart 164 2 Jeff Gordon 159 3 Jimmie Johnson 150 4 Mark Martin 111 5 Kyle Busch 107 6 Kurt Busch 104 7 Ryan Newman 93 8 Greg Biffle 90 9 Denny Hamlin 86 10 Carl Edwards 82 11 Matt Kenseth 79 12 David Reutimann 74 13 Kasey Kahne 61 14 Clint Bowyer 59 15 Juan Pablo Montoya 48 16 Jeff Burton 47 Brian Vickers 47 18 Marcos Ambrose 39 19 Joey Logano 37 20 Brad Keselowski 35
Hendrick Motorsports and Hendrick Lite (sorry, Stewart-Haas) are continuing to dominate the team points. The most surprising development of the season, to me, are the apparent demise of the Richard Childress Racing cars. Of the multi-car teams in NASCAR, RCR stands with Earnhardt Ganassi Racing, Red Bull Racing, and Yates Racing as the only ones winless in 2009. Surely not the company they were looking to keep through the first half of the year.
SPRINT CUP (TEAMS) Rank Points 1 Hendrick Motorsports 271 2 Stewart-Haas Racing 206 3 Joe Gibbs Racing 184 4 Roush Fenway Racing 176 5 Penske Racing 114 6 Michael Waltrip Racing 110 7 Richard Childress Racing 104 8 Richard Petty Motorsports 88 9 Earnhardt Ganassi Racing 72 10 Red Bull Racing Team 53 11 Phoenix Racing 29 12 Yates Racing 18 13 Robby Gordon Motorsports 12 14 Front Row Motorsports 2 NEMCO Motorsports 2 Prism Motorsports 2 Mayfield Motorsports 2 18 Germain Racing 1 TRG Motorsports 1 Tommy Baldwin Racing 1
Kyle Busch and his five Nationwide Series wins are way out in front of my Nationwode points. The most amazing stat of the year is that Kyle has led the most laps ELEVEN times out of sixteen races. (Second most? Brad Keselowski finishing third six times already.)
NATIONWIDE SERIES (DRIVERS) Rank Points 1 Kyle Busch 227 2 Carl Edwards 173 3 Brad Keselowski 151 4 Joey Logano 149 5 Jason Leffler 107 6 Mike Bliss 76 7 Kevin Harvick 72 8 David Ragan 69 9 Greg Biffle 64 10 Matt Kenseth 62 11 Brian Vickers 59 12 Brendan Gaughan 50 13 Justin Allgaier 48 14 Clint Bowyer 47 15 Erik Darnell 38 Tony Stewart 38 17 Steve Wallace 32 18 Jeff Burton 27 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 27 20 Ryan Newman 26
NATIONWIDE SERIES (TEAMS) Rank Car# Owner Points 1 18 Joe Gibbs Racing 227 Driver: Ky. Busch (16 starts) 2 60 Roush Fenway Racing 173 Driver: C. Edwards (16 starts) 3 20 Joe Gibbs Racing 154 Drivers: J. Logano (13 starts), B. Coleman (2), D. Hamlin (1) 4 88 JR Motorsports 151 Driver: Brad Keselowski (16 starts) 5 16 Roush Fenway Racing 137 Drivers: G. Biffle (7 starts), M. Kenseth (5), R. Stenhouse Jr. (4) 6 33 Kevin Harvick Inc. 134 Drivers: K. Harvick (9 starts), R. Newman (2), K. Bires (2), C. Gale (1), T. Stewart (1), R. Hornaday (1) 7 38 Braun Racing 107 Driver: J. Leffler (16 starts) 6 Roush Fenway Racing 107 Drivers:D. Ragan (10 starts), E. Darnell (6) 9 29 Richard Childress Racing 90 Drivers: J. Burton (7 starts), C. Bowyer (5), S. Leicht (4) 10 1 Phoenix Racing 76 Driver: M. Bliss (16 starts) 11 32 Braun Racing 64 Drivers: B. Vickers (8 starts), B. Lamar (8) 12 62 Rusty Wallace Inc. 50 Driver: B. Gaughan (16 starts) 13 12 Penske Racing 48 Driver: J. Allgaier (16 starts) 14 5 JR Motorsports 37 Drivers: D. Earnhardt Jr. (5 starts), S. Wimer (2), M. Martin (1), R. Newman (1) 15 66 Rusty Wallace Inc. 32 Driver: S. Wallace (16 starts)
Just a refresher on the Jack Ingram points. I think it would make sense to have a separate Nationwide championship for drivers who have never won a Cup-level race - the true AAA-level drivers. (Thanks again to Joey Logano for eliminating himself from this, btw.) Basically, I take out the Kenseths and the Busches and reset the finishing order, so in this weekend's race Mike Bliss was the "winner" of the Jack Ingram division.
NATIONWIDE SERIES POINTS RESET ELIMINATING SPRINT CUP RACE WINNERS Rank Points 1 Jason Leffler 2617 2 Mike Bliss 2289 3 Michael McDowell 2254 4 Justin Allgaier 2227 5 Brendan Gaughan 2218 Steve Wallace 2218 7 Jason Keller 2157 8 Scott Lagasse Jr. 2080 9 Kenny Wallace 1920 10 Tony Raines 1907 11 Michael Annett 1884 12 Danny O'Quinn Jr. 1723 13 Eric McClure 1697 14 Brandon Whitt 1608 15 David Ragan 1584 This is the Jack Ingram points using the vastly superior JJD method. Jason Leffler is way out front here because after the reset, he's got 13 top-four finishes in 16 races.
OFFICIAL JACK INGRAM CUP PRESENTED BY JJD STANDINGS Rank Points 1 Jason Leffler 218 2 Mike Bliss 147 3 David Ragan 128 4 Justin Allgaier 124 5 Brendan Gaughan 114 6 Steve Wallace 112 7 Michael McDowell 101 8 Jason Keller 84 9 Erik Darnell 76 10 Scott Lagasse Jr. 69 11 Scott Speed 67 12 Paul Menard 52 13 Kenny Wallace 41 14 Michael Annett 37 15 Stephen Leicht 31
[NOTE: I originally posted this on the ThatsRacin.com forum, and I got a request to post it here, so there you go. All comments welcome, of course.]
Let me start with this: I really have no problem with the "fairness" of the NASCAR points system. All of the guys play by the same rules, so throw "fairness" into the discussion clouds the issue. What the NASCAR points system ISN'T is sensible. A point system is only as good as it is in the MOST ridiculous of circumstances. Did you know that (in a non-Chase-world) a guy could lead EVERY lap of 24 races and finish last in the other 12, and he would LOSE the title by over 100 points to a guy who just rode around and finshed eighth in every race? That's CRAZY.
I think we can ALL agree on some key points:
- Winning a Nextel Cup racing is friggin' hard in this age of so many top teams and overall series depth, and it's about to get harder with the Toyota teams coming in.
- When there is a "big one" on a superspeedway, there really isn't any difference in the finishing positions of the guys who got wrecked and are 32nd through, say, 38th. However, in NASCAR's current world that's an 18-point difference settled over basically semantics, and since they've had a title decided by eight points, to have the potential of a title decided because one car got wrecked a little bit worse in a big one than another, makes little sense.
- A guy who rides around in 20th all day doesn't deserve more points than a guy who ran 3rd all day but got wrecked with two laps to go.
I think these are some legitimate beefs that you may or may not agree with:
- NASCAR currently punishes teams for bad finishes more than they reward teams for good ones. Don't think so? Before the California race Matt Kenseth had as many wins as JJ (4), more seconds (3-2), more thirds (3-1), and more top 5s (13-8). How could JJ be ahead of Matt in points? Well, the answer is that Matt's worst finish is 38th and JJ's worst is 32nd. If you take that 18 point difference away Matt is ahead. Shouldn't the guys' 23 (out of 24) BEST finishes count more than their ONE worst finish?
- There was a time when a guy like David Pearson would show up at half of the races and with seven or eight of them, so I can see why this "reward all of the competitors and punish the guys who cherry-pick"-mentality came from, but that's hardly the case anymore. Every guy going for the title shows up at EVERY race, barring injury, and even injured they make silly starts to collect points. When Tony Stewart was hurt last year, shouldn't he have had the chance to heal up for a couple of weeks out of the car instead of risking further injury to get the points for 25th-place?
- Kasey Kahne has five wins out of 25 races. If he wins tonight and doesn't make the Chase, and wins a couple of the races in the Chase he'd have, say, NINE wins with NO chance to win the title. You might be able to rationalize that to another NASCAR fan, but that's a hard concept to explain to a non-NASCAR fan.
Here's what I'd like to see: A points-system that rewards guys for winning and finishing up front. Period. And, just coincidentally, I have an idea for one. (One that ditches the Chase, becuase it's just not necessary.)
- Award points to the top 12 finishers. 20-16-14-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. Why the top 12? Well, guys like Michael Waltrip, Dave Blaney, Travis Kvapil, and Scott Wimmer have a combined ZERO top-12 finishes. Joe Nemechek's finish? 13th. Jeremy Mayfield's? 13th. TODAY with NASCAR's math, a win and a bad luck 40th finish give you NINETY less points than two fifths. Not bad, right? Well, in twelve races you could win six and finish 40th six, and be a whopping 540 points behind the guy with twelve fifths. That is nonsense, and I think this a fair balance, rewarding wins and consistency.
- Bonus points: one for winning the pole, one for leading a lap, and two for leading the most laps. Why a point for the pole? Well, it IS competitive and someone "wins" the pole. This gives a guy who wins the pole and leads the most laps four bonus points, so if he breaks or gets wrecked he would receive as many points as a guy who finishes a ride-around-all-day ninth. Seems fair to me, and better than the first guy getting eighty points less than the second.
- I didn't think this up because of the Chase, either. How's this scenario? Right now, say Dale Jr. won all eleven remaining races and led EVERY lap for the rest of the year (in a non-Chase world where the points are NOT reset). All Matt Kenseth would have to do is finish FIFTH in every race to keep a points-lead large enough to win the title. (5343-5326, btw.) You want to live in a world where a guy wins ONE-THIRD of the races and doesn't win the title over a guy who won four? Just because it happened before doesn't make it right.
I've tracked the points using my system all year. Here are the top-15.
Matt Kenseth - 236
Jimmie Johnson - 212
Tony Stewart - 198
Kasey Kahne - 184
Jeff Gordon - 177
Kevin Harvick - 171
Kyle Busch - 160
Dale Earnhardt Jr. - 155
Carl Edwards - 145
Greg Biffle - 133
Denny Hamlin - 132
Jeff Burton - 126
Kurt Busch - 113
Mark Martin - 109
Ryan Newman - 73
Edwards and Biffle ahead of Hamlin? Hamlin's got two wins to Biffle's one and Edwards' zero, yes. But Edwards has finished second twice, third twice, and fourth three times, while Biffle has only five finished fourth or better and Hamlin has four. Hamlin sits high in points right now because he's got a whopping TEN finishes between ninth and twelfth.
The best part of this system is with 24 points maximum each weekend, can you guess how many guys are mathematically eliminated from the Championship as of right now? ZERO. David Gilliland could win every pole and lead every lap for the rest of the year and he'd have 264 points, and if none of the guys on the list had a top-12 finish for the rest of the year, he'd be the Nextel Cup Champion. Ridiculous? Yes, but a guy with eleven wins losing to guys who have five or less is also ridiculous.
Since a guy who wins the pole and leads every lap scores 24 points and the guy who finishes second scores 16, any driver can make up eight points on the field in any given week, so right now anyone 88 points back or closer (right now Junior is 81 back) would control his own destiny, and would win the title by leading every lap for the rest of the season. Right now, Kasey Kahne couldn't even do that if he's not lucky enough to make the Chase.
I really think this is a foolproof way to go. You can punch SO many holes in NASCAR's current system that it makes it hard for the non-NASCAR fan to understand the logic. I've run this back through every season since 1960, and it's easy to argue for every champion that I got.
Now, I know what you're thinking, namely, "1960?! What are you some kind of huge geek?" Yes, but that's beside the point. I started doing past seasons to see if Mark Martin would get his ever-elusive championship my way. Answer: No, and he only ended up with one second-place instead of four. I also ended up with EVERY actual NASCAR champion (except for good ol' BP, God bless him, who basically won in 1973 because he ran every race, only winning one, while David Pearson won eleven that year and Yarborough and Petty won ten between them) in the top three and usually the top-two until 2004, when Kenseth (the real champ) finished fifth. (A lot of guys won either way, but not too many.) Some other oddities (while noting that circumstances aren't taken into account like, for example, 2004 when Kenseth clinched before the last race and wound his motor too tight and blew in the meaningless final race that year):
- In the Chase era, Tony Stewart still would've won the 2005 title, but Jimmie Johnson (eight wins) would've won the 2004 title over Jeff Gordon (who actuall scored the most points that year but lost to Kurt Busch).
- Jeff Gordon would have five championships, including four straight from '95-'98, taking the '96 title away from Terry Labonte who won two races that year to Gordon's ten.
- Dale Earnhardt keeps five championships, losing the '80 crown to Cale Yarborough (who had one more win, three more top-fours and 14 poles to Dale's zero) and the '93 crown to Rusty Wallace, who won ten races to Earnhardt's six.
- Incidentally, that fact is why I kept going back, thanks to racing-reference.info, so I could see how many titles the King would've had compared to the Intimidator. The King would've had six championships, losing his '64 and '72 titles but picking up the '63 title, a year in which he won 14 races and the actual champion (Joe Weatherly) won only three.
This would be the list of champions since 1963, which would've been Petty's first title my way. Still a decent list in the grand scheme of things.
SIX - Richard Petty
FIVE - Dale Earnhardt, Jeff Gordon, Clae Yarborough
THREE - Rusty Wallace, Darrell Waltrip, David Pearson
TWO - Tony Stewart, Ned Jarrett
ONE - Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman (over Kenseth), Bobby Labonte, Dale Jarrett, Davey Allison (over Kulwicki), Bill Elliott, Terry Labonte, Bobby Allison, Bobby Isaac
[NOTE 2: Here's the update after Richmond, or "Bristol" if your name is Bill Weber. The number after the points is where they ranked last week.]
1 Matt Kenseth 242 1
2 Jimmie Johnson 213 2
3 Kasey Kahne 199 4
4 Tony Stewart 198 3
5 Kevin Harvick 192 6
6 Kyle Busch 179 7
7 Jeff Gordon 177 5
8 Dale Earnhardt Jr. 155 8
9 Carl Edwards 145 9
10 Greg Biffle 141 10
11 Denny Hamlin 134 11
12 Jeff Burton 131 12
13 Mark Martin 119 14
14 Kurt Busch 113 13
15 Ryan Newman 73 15