Boy,oh boy!
You go a few days without checking your blog and when you come back,
you see the longest response ever by a single person to a blog you
wrote weeks ago. At first you figure "all right", someone is reading
the stuff you write so you check out the posts
and you realize you've been called a "dolt" and that your arguments
suck. GoIrish69 says a lot of words but doesn't really make ANY
coherent arguments, nor does he respond to any of my arguments.
First, a quick recap of my arguments that he did not answer:
1)
Brady Quinn has NEVER had a meaningful victory as a Collegiate
Quarterback. ONE victory over a top 25 team in two years? Come on.
Every other quarterback that deserves recognition has at least one
signature win. Brady Quinn has none.
2) Notre Dame plays a soft
schedule. They have had a strength of schedule in the 50's during the
Weiss reign. They get functional bye weeks when they play the service
academies and Quinn still can't lead his team to victory in big games.
3)
The Maxwell Club is a sham. That was the point of my original post an
it wasn't meant to be an indictment of the easily indictable Brady
Quinn. That point went ignored.
Now on to Go Irish69's arguments:
1) "
The Maxwell Is A Sham? Here's the sham...the dolt who started this
blog! If ya'll want to write something meaningful then why don't you
push for real change like: voting for a playoff system, not ranking any
team in the pre-seaon until the end of September, not allowing any team
who graduates only half of their team from playing in the post-season
(this would eliminate HALF of the 64 teams...what a joke this is)."
My
Response: I don't think I'm a dolt. No need to insult me. I know you
Irish fans are thin skinned, self absorbed, arrogant, pompous,
pseudo-fans who believe the sun rises and sets over "beautiful" South
Bend but there's no reason to name call. Also, I agree that there
should be a playoff system, initial rankings should be delayed and
there should be some tie between graduation rates and postseason play
but I don't know why not discussing those things is an argument against
what I said about the Maxwell award? The mainstream media has
discussed playoffs, bowls, rankings and graduation rates ad nauseum. I
thought I would take a different angle and write about something that
no one else was writing about. Isn't that the purpose of a blog?
2) " I don't doubt that many in Dixie honestly
believe that the best player in the SEC has to be the best player in
college football."
My
Response: Not true. I think many SEC fans believe that Troy Smith was
the best player in football. For better or worse, many SEC fans
cannibalize their own and would never give unfair props to a player from
another SEC school unfairly. Do I think McFadden was the second best
player in College Football this year? Absolutely. McFadden lead that
Arkansas team back from the dead and was put into a position running
that old school single wing offense at the end of the year that other
coaches are going to employ and other tailbacks want to emulate (did
you catch Marshawn Lynch in Cal's Bowl game two nights ago?) Arkansas
would be dead in the water without McFadden and he will be the Heisman
front runner next year.
3) "The
really stunning thing is that Quinn's numbers against Southern Cal were
exceptional in comparison to what others had achieved against the
Trojans: Quinn put up more total offense and threw more touchdown
passes against the Southern Cal defense than anyone else this year."
My
Response: He may have put up some numbers but the bottom line is that
HE LOST! UCLA beat USC, Oregon State beat USC but Notre Dame could
not. Brady Quinn could not. BRADY QUINN CAN NOT WIN A BIG GAME. And
that is the only stat that really matters.
4) "You would be hard
pressed to find media criticism of Troy Smith's performance against
Illinois, though it was statistically worse than the performance
against Michigan that hung around Quinn's neck like a millstone."
My
Response: That's because Troy Smith BEAT Illinois. Troy Smith WINS big
games. Brady Quinn LOST to Michigan (again). Brady Quinn LOSES big
games.
5) "His numbers were
written off as inflated, coming against a spate of cupcakes including
-- gasp -- all three service academies! Nevermind the fact that one
academy actually went 9-3, or that Quinn's lowest outputs in passes and
yardage came against Army and Air Force, respectively. If you bothered
to look at it, ND's strength of schedule (19th in the country) was of a
magnitude tougher than Ohio State's (40th)."
My
Response: Are you serious? Are you really telling me that Notre Dame
plays a tougher schedule than what Ohio State played this year? Come
on. Notre Dame feasts on cupcakes. Look at this schedule:
1) Army - Joke
2) Navy - Joke
3) Air Force - Joke
4) Georgia Tech - Inconsistent team at best
5) Penn State - Rebuilding team
6)
Purdue - Weakest 8-4 team in the country. Check their schedule. They
were the only Big 10 team that did not have to play Ohio State OR
Michigan this year and they still sucked. PLUS, I went to the
Pudue-Maryland Champs Sports Bowl last night and the Purdue team I saw
was freaking awful. Slowest Wide Receivers EVER and a terrible run
defense
7) Stanford - 1-10
record with losses to Navy and San Jose State. Absolutely pathetic and
worse than any team in the Big 10, ACC, SEC, Big East or Big 12
8) UCLA - 6-5 record; under .500 in Pac-10 play.
Would make for a better basketball game than football game. Sure they
upset USC but did you catch their game against Florida State? They
were exposed for being the weak ass team that they are.
9) North Carolina - See basketball comment above
6) "
C'mon, be honest. You chuckled when you heard Notre Dame got beat by
Michigan one cajillion billion to seven, didn't you? You laughed. You
giggled and burped. You frolicked around the house like you were being
tickled on the feet by a supermodel in her skivvies. You spit mustard
and bratwurst all over your shirt when you saw Brady Quinn's face
planted in the turf and throwing sloppy interceptions like Kerry
Collins. I can tell you loved it. I still see the smirk cemented on
your face."
My Response: You're right on this one!
7) "
During his time under the microscope at ND, especially during a rough
and tumble two years where he was repeatedly thrown to the lions, Quinn
never faltered or pouted. Whether he was taking his lumps under
Willingham or besting Peyton Manning's marks under Weis, Quinn always
carried himself with aplomb. In the volumes of quotes the media
extracted from Quinn, you won't find a single damning word. He was
never in trouble off the field. He was a good student."
My
Response: If we were giving citizenship awards or naming soneone an
Eagle Scout than THIS WOULD MATTER. But we're not, so it doesn't.
Brady Quinn has no heart as a football player even if he is a really
nice guy.
8) "Notre Dame will beat LSU in the Sugar Bowl."
My
Response: Are you REALLY serious? Notre Dame does not have even the
most remotest of chances. They will lose another embarrassing
lop-sided bowl game. Remember Oregon State in the Fiesta Bowl a few
year back?
9) "
By the way, Frank, here are some additional thoughts for you to
contemplate. How come you failed to mention that Quinn won the Unitas
Award? I guess you'll need to cook up some horse manure about the group
who voted Quinn the winner here as well. Also, how come you didn't
mention that only three players (Wuerffel in '96, Williams in '98 and
Dayne in '99) in the past eleven years have won the both the Maxwell
and Heisman awards in the same season? I guess you can call: Peyton
Mannning, Drew Brees, Ken Dorsey, Eli Manning, Jason White and Vince
Young shams as well! Right!
My Response: The fact that the Heisman and Maxwell awards have only had the same winner in 3 of the past 11 years proves my point entirely. The Maxwell award is a sham and doesn't recognize anything other than who a group of people in Pennsylvania think is the best player in College Football. You never even answered my argument that the same Maxwell Club voted Paul Posluszny the best Defensive player in College Football which is an absolute joke.
As for the Unitas Award, I don't know how it's decided but they've made some bad calls in their history as well. Let's look at some previous winners and I'll tell you who SHOULD HAVE won the award that year:
1987: Don McPherson - Should have given it to Tom Tupa, Chris Chandler or Kerwin Bell.
1988: Rodney Peete - Should have given it to Troy Aikman.
1989: Tony Rice - Should have given it to Jeff George or Andre Ware.
1990: Scott Erickson - Should have given it to Brett Favre.
1991: Casey Weldon - Should have given it to Tommy Maddox.
1992: Gino Toretta - Should have given it to Drew Bledsoe.
1994: Jay Barker - Should have given it to Steve McNair.
1998: Cade McNown - Should have given it to Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, or Daunte Culpepper)
1999: Chris Redman - Should have given it to Chad Pennington or Tom Brady.
2000: Chris Weinke - Should have given it to Mike Vick or Drew Brees.
2003: Eli Manning - Should have given it to RIvers or Roethlisberger.
2004: Jason White - Should have given it to Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers.
2005: Matt Leinart - Should have given it to Vince Young.
2006: Brady Quinn - Should have given it to Troy Smith.
I guess the Unitas Award is about as accurate, relevant and meaningful as the Maxwell Award. Of course almost every Quarterback on this list had at least one thing Brady Quinn will never have...a big win or a Bowl Win!